Lucy the knuckle walker? Answers in Genesis v EvoAnth

This post also appeared on The Advanced Apes Many moons ago I stumbled across Answers in Genesis’s reconstruction of the “Lucy” specimen (who belonged to the species Australopithecus afarensis, an ancestor of modern humans that lived ~3.2 million years ago). They depicted our ancestor as a four

This post also appeared on The Advanced Apes

Many moons ago I stumbled across Answers in Genesis’s reconstruction of the “Lucy” specimen (who belonged to the species Australopithecus afarensis, an ancestor of modern humans that lived ~3.2 million years ago). They depicted our ancestor as a four legged knuckle walker, like a chimp. This is not a reconstruction supported by the evidence and has been rejected by most of the scientific community. I wrote an article to that effect, pointing out some of the pieces of evidence that tell us Lucy actually walked upright on two legs.

The reconstruction of Lucy

The reconstruction of Lucy

Being contradicted by a lone blogger writing from the backwater that is Liverpool was too much for the multi-million dollar organisation to bare, so they wrote a rebuttal of my response. Which prompted me to write a deconstruction of their rebuttal of my response to their reconstruction. Keeping up? Alas, they continue to cite their rebuttal as the final word on the subject and have yet to acknowledge my response to it.

So, for those who like to cram their history into 6,000 years I’ve crammed my response into this little post. The title of each section will take you to a more in depth post on the subject, if it so interests you.

#1: Creationism is science, I swears it! 

An oft repeated creationist claim is that evolution and creationism are based on the same evidence, just interpreted through different worldviews. Thus they’re just as valid as each other, so anything creationists do is just as valid as anything those darn evilutionists do!

A cartoon from Answers in Genesis

In my original post I pointed out that this is far from true. Ideas are more reliable when tests and experiments vindicate them. Whilst science does a lot of hypothesis testing (the entire scientific method is built on it), creationists almost never do. Most of the “evidence” for creationism are post-dictions made after the fact, not the predictions science relies upon. As such it should not be considered on the same level as science.

AiG took issue with this claim that creationism is not on par with science, citing 2 (yes, that many) examples of creationists making predictions! Just like real scientists

The most recent and perhaps glaring example of creation scientists’ predictions are those now confirmed by the ENCODE program—the discovery that most DNA touted as “junk”…actually has function. Another example is the advance in geological understanding that resulted from plate tectonics models, first proposed by creation scientists [in 1859]

I find the reference to ENCODE particularly amusing, given that it doesn’t actually confirm that prediction. Although it claimed 80% of the genome was “functional” what they actually meant is that 80% is biologically active. This activity is not necessarily important to our survival, so could still be “junk”. As such it doesn’t confirm their prediction, a fact that other AiG writers admit (although they still find a way to claim victory on the grounds it could vindicate the prediction at some point in the future).

Which leaves us with their plate tectonic claim from 1859 and it turns out that isn’t a case of creationists making predictions either! Of course, I haven’t examined every creationist claim ever. There may be a few good apples out there doing “real” science, but that doesn’t vindicate the bad science most of them are doing.

#2: Lucy’s big hole

The foramen magnum is the hole on the base of the skull the spinal cord passes through to connect to your brain. I pointed out that the foramen magnum (Latin for big hole) of Australopithecus afarensis was located in a more human-like position, showing the spinal cord exited the skull vertically, travelling down an upright body suited for bipedalism, not knuckle walking.

A graph of the location of the foramen magnum and a diagram of its orientation (Australopithecus is the middle image)

A graph of the location of the foramen magnum and a diagram of its orientation (Australopithecus is the middle image)

Answers in Genesis’s response was to point out that other specimens have been discovered with lower foramen magnum indices. However, these lower numbers are 23% and 19%; which are still much higher than the figure obtained from chimps and other quadrupeds. As such it doesn’t really invalidate my point. If anything it shows that the FMI of Australopithecus afarensis was consistently dissimilar from a knuckle walker.

AiG’s other main critique was to point out that the skulls from which FMI measurements were obtained were found in dozens of pieces. How can we trust they were reconstructed by those nefarious evilutionists correctly?

We would submit that the [human-like position] of the afarensis foramen magnum occurred not deep in the evolutionary history of humanity but quite possibly sometime after 1992 in the laboratory

Of course AiG provide no evidence of any misdoings in the lab. It’s just handwaving talk of “oooo biases” and “oooo incomplete skull” in an effort to poison the well.

Although if there are any lingering doubts about bias they can be silenced! In 2006 scientists discovered a juvenile Au. afarensis in Dikika, Ethiopia with a complete skull and attached back bone to boot! This specimen has a much more human like foramen magnum than a chimp of a comparable age, showing that Lucy did have an upright body like a human after all. 


The Dikika specimen

#3: Back problems

In my original post I claimed that Au. afarensis had the additional vertebrae in their lower back needed to produce the “kink” observed in modern humans (known as “lumbar lordosis” by fancy pants scientists). Alas, the evidence for this is not as strong as I thought. Although not disproven, the claim Lucy had the additional vertebrae is unsupported and so should be treated skeptically. I thank AiG for pointing out my mistake.

Whilst they do make this good point, they go on to make a bad one: even if Lucy did have lumbar lordosis, this would not mean she was bipedal. In support of this they point to a study that shows gorillas sometimes develop lumbar lordosis!

Their citation is to an article from 1889. Cutting edge science, eh? However, the main problem with this study isn’t it’s age but the fact they were examining a cadaver that had already been partially dissected and left on ice for a few weeks. Hardly a pristine specimen. And I’m not just doing the handwaving “ooo problems” AiG was with the skull reconstructions. There’s good reason to think that something’s up here given that attempts to find a similar curve with fresher specimens have failed.

Lordotic angle of some species key to this discussion

Lordotic angle of some species key to this discussion

The second major problem with the research it examined the skeleton of a juvenile gorilla and they walk upright quite often; much more frequently than adults. As the individual matures and grows larger bipedalism is no longer an efficient way to travel and they almost always knuckle walk instead. So studies of lumbar lordosis in adult gorillas have failed to find it.

So I was wrong and so was Answers in Genesis. Where does that leave us? With me being right. Although the evidence for lumbar lordosis in Lucy is suspect we have much more firm data from her close relatives who were quite similar, like Australopithecus africanus. It turns out all the other Australopiths we have data on did have lumbar lordosis (and to a nearly human degree as well), so it’s not unreasonable to suggest Lucy did too. And that kink is evidence for bipedalism, despite what AiG think centuries old studies on gorillas say.

#4: Knuckle walking knuckles

If Lucy was a knuckle walker, you’d expect to find evidence for it in the arms and hands. Yet many studies have found that the adaptations chimps and gorillas have for knuckle walking are completely absent from Lucy and her kin, providing strong evidence AiG is wrong.

How do they dispute this compelling evidence? With my favourite paragraph in their whole article.

Evolutionists have, however, found such evidence for knuckle-walking. A more recent study by evolutionists Richmond and Strait confirms Lucy’s bones do have the features required to lock the wrist for knuckle-walking. Incidentally, this particular study is one of several plainly referenced in the Creation Museum’s Lucy exhibit.

The study by Richmond & Strait that they proudly cite in their museum display argues that humans’ and chimps’ last common ancestor was a knuckle walker, as evidenced by the fact that Australopithecus afarensis retains some knuckle walking adaptations in their arms from this ancestor. Spot the problem for AiG here? This study doesn’t claim Lucy was a knuckle walker, just that she has some non-functional adaptations left over from a knuckle walking ancestor!

However, that’s assuming the research is valid and that is something which is far from certain. The analysis of Lucy revealed that her radius was similar to both gorillas and orangutans. Given that orangutans don’t knuckle walk this raises the question of whether the “knuckle walking traits” they identified are actually linked with knuckle walking. Indeed, none of them have been reliably linked to knuckle walking. For example, they claim fusion of two hand bones is “an adaptation to resist weight-bearing stresses and improve the stability of the hand in [knuckle walking].” However, subsequent research noted that there is no “evidence to support this hypothesis.

Curiously, although Answers in Genesis are careful to note how the Richmond & Strait research is “recent” they make no reference to the even more recent research critical of the paper. Indeed, in the late 2000s multiple criticisms of the knuckle walking hypothesis were published, many of them specifically chastising Richmond & Strait’s work. Coincidentally, Answers in Genesis only cite one non-creationist article from 2006 onwards.

This is why it’s my favourite paragraph. They proudly “plainly reference” a really bad study that identifies knuckle walking traits which aren’t actually associated with knuckle walking, has been almost unanimously rejected by the scientific community and – even if it were valid – doesn’t even conclude that Lucy was a knuckle walker.

#5: Dat ass

There was a video which accompanied Answers in Genesis’ original piece on their reconstruction of Lucy in which someone claimed that the angle of Lucy’s iliac blades would’ve hampered the efficiency of the gluteal muscles, in turn preventing them from walking bipedally. Alas I failed to make a note of where one could find this video and it – along with their original article showing off the Lucy exhibit – appears to have disappeared from the site. But don’t worry, I’m not offering you a strawman of their argument. Their critique of my original post advances the exact same claim

The orientation of the iliac blades on the pelvis is a key skeletal requirement for bipedality. Notice this in the photograph of our holographic representation of Lucy and compare to those of a chimpanzee, a gorilla, and a human. The orientation of the iliac wings on the human pelvis allows the human to use gluteal muscles to counterbalance the lifting of the opposite leg during bipedal walking. This stabilizes our hips and keeps us from falling over sideways with each step. The differing orientation of ape iliac bones prevents this use of the gluteal muscles and forces apes to shift and sway from side to side when they occasionally walk upright, rendering an efficient bipedal gait skeletally impossible.

My counterpoint to this argument originally was that people have performed reconstructions of Lucy’s musculature which reveals that the gluteal muscles were in fact functional and active during bipedal locomotion. Whilst the various skeletal differences between humans and Lucy required her gluteals to expend more energy keeping us stable they did not “prevent” them from doing so as AiG claims. This lowering of efficiency meant that  Lucy would’ve had to have used 3.8 joules of energy per kilogram moved per second to walk bipedally – compared to the 3.0 joules humans use – not that she was incapable of bipedalism. For contrast, children aged 8/9 also have to use 3.8 joules and they’re perfectly capable of walking upright.

Answers in Genesis rebuttal to this argument is, as you’ve seen above, to simply reiterate their original claim. They offer no justification for why we should dismiss the science showing the gluteal muscles are functional, nor do they offer any additional evidence for why we should accept their position that they are not . As such I’ll stand by my original argument and leave it at that. After all, they clearly couldn’t fault it.

(although if you want more proof, I’ll simply say this. AiG’s “rebuttal” is based off an analysis of a hip on which it is difficult to tell where the gluteal muscles attached. Another hip bone from Lucy’s close relative, Au. africanus does contain more clear gluteal muscle markings allowing for scientists to identify where the muscles are actually located. This shows that the gluteal muscles were located in human-like positions and thus provides “favourable lever areas for the … gluteus medius & minimus for…stabilisation of the pelvis in bipedal walking).

#6: In conclusion

In short, most of creationism is unscientific, Lucy’s foramen magnum indicates she walked upright, her back probably does as well and her wrists and hip contain no evidence she was a knuckle walker or couldn’t walk upright. In other words there’s strong evidence Lucy walked upright like us. Yet she wasn’t completely human, with many ape like traits such as arms adapted  for swinging through the trees and a small brain.

It’s almost as though she’s some kind of half human, half chimp…what’s the word I’m looking for….transitional form.

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  3. andre salzmann says:

    Have you taken notice of the work done by prof. Berger (i think) on Australopithecus Sediba ? Seems to me it explains the transitional
    stages even better than Lucy? Seems like the dating on Sediba coincides with Erectus in Europe ? What does that tell us?

    1. Adam Benton says:

      The first data from sediba made them look like a good candidate for the ancestor of Homo erectus; albeit one that lived too late to be that ancestor. However new research published last week (which I’ll be publishing a blog on later today, stay tuned) shows that sediba had some key unique features, that suggest they’re actually part of a distinct evolutionary lineage that diverged from us ~3 – 4 million years ago.

  4. andre salzmann says:

    Goodness. Did not expect something like the article on Sediba so quickly. Its good and what Berger has been explaining. And no doubt the analysis are totally professional. But, as you in effect state in your article, how does all the information transpiring today, fit together? Forty years ago our knowledge base was much smaller. Today there is almost a “confusion” or as someone said- a mosaic of information. From every single field of related science. Local newspaper yesterday reported on a local scientist , a Dr Aliza le Roux, studying the sexual behavior of Gelada baboons in Ethiopia. Noticed these baboons are unfaithful in terms of there social cultural constructs and are punished when caught. Animals are apparently not known to punish their deviants. Little bits of info seems to be popping everywhere, everyday. Instead of trying to prove a point to the emotionally predisposed and rationalizing Genesis types, it would be worth so much more if time was spent pulling all the astounding related info, being produced today, together. Compiling it. Keeping track of it. Making it available to so many who are involved and thus making everyone,s work in this field (and other fields) worth so much more?
    Read somewhere that the medical fraternity are now starting to look at health problems from the perspective of ones ancestral origin. If i was evolved by processing specific nutrients, it stands to reason that problems can arise from a change in diet. What about the psychological impact of altering group formations then. For example. far as i know the San had no mental institutions, old age homes, orphanages or police. What is “modern” society doing wrong? We need info. It needs to be consolidated and analyzed. You seem to be in an excellent position to develop structures for such endeavor.

    1. Adam Benton says:

      The reason we need these institutions but hunter-gatherers do not is because they deal with rare events. For example, mental disorders often only occur in a few times out of a thousand. As such, when living in a small tribe of 40 people you probably won’t encounter a mental illness for generations, so there’s no need to motivation to create an entire institution to deal with it. Conversely, when you start to live in a city with thousands of inhabitants you’re going to see more people who need treatment, forcing you to start creating treatments.

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  7. andre salzmann says:

    Think you comment is very valid Adam. But have feeling there is a lot more than just amounts of people to it. They survived as a distinguishable group for over 200,000 years, from what i have read. Their culture seems to have been very well developed. Seems the cohesion in their groups, because of their culture was something we should take note of. The implications thereof. Could be the Neanderthals had similar cultural constructs?

    1. Adam Benton says:

      I’m not really sure what you’re trying to get at here

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