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The Kumari Model: Did humans evolve in the Indian Ocean?

Someone who actually got published commenting on my little blog. I’m almost as happy as the time Answers in Genesis said I was wrong

Over the past few decades scientists have amassed a huge amount of evidence showing that humans evolved in Africa before migrating out into the rest of the world. Nonetheless, some alternate ideas do exist such as the Kumari model, advanced by A. R. Vasudevan. Vasudevan is author of Aryans: Who are they? in which he makes the case for the Kumari model, as well as several comments here on EvoAnth where he also argues in favour of it.

But just what is the Kumari model, and should we be paying any attention to Vasudevan and his book and blog comments?

The Kumari Model of human origins claims that humans didn’t evolve in Africa, but rather, they originated on a continent in the Indian Ocean known as Kumari land, which was swallowed by the sea ~14,000 years ago. This Atlantian-esque region was huge, connecting India to Africa and extending southwards into the Antarctic. As humans migrated out of Kumari land and populated the rest of the world they took two routes, one West into Africa and East into India. Those moving into India continued migrating northwards, eventually settling Europe and the rest of Asia too.

The lost continent of Kumari land: home of humanity?

The lost continent of Kumari land: home of humanity?

Vasudevan claims there’s a lot of evidence in favour of this Indian origin of Europeans, in turn lending credence for the Kumari model. Most of it comes from the Genographic Project: an effort by National Geographic to trace how genes have moved around the world. This has led to discoveries which provide evidence for the Kumari model like:

  • The discovery Europeans are more closely related to Indians than Africans (because they were part of the same migration out of Kumari land)
  • The genographic project revealing that the European migration began in India
  • The fact that humans split into two groups for almost a hundred thousand years (as they migrated in separate directions out of Kumari land)

These claims certainly makes a compelling case for the Kumari model. But before you go searching the Indian Ocean for the real cradle of humanity, it’s worth pointing out that these aren’t actually the findings of the genographic project.

For example, Vasudevan claims that the genographic project has discovered that the migration into Europe originated from India, not Africa, and have redrawn their map of human migration accordingly.

The Geographic Project . . . stated “. . .[genetic evidence] supports a southern route of migration from Bab-el-Mandab strait in Arabia before any movement heading north. . .”. Accordingly they have redrawn the map of migration where migration of Eurasians starts from South India. . . This makes the Eurasian migration shown in the book [Aryans: Who are they?] gain scientific acceptance.

However, if you go to the Genographic website you’ll find they haven’t redrawn the map to show Europeans originating in India. This is because the southern migration through Arabia they’re referring to is not the same migration that gave rise to Europeans. Rather, there was  a group of humans who followed the coast from the Middle East, around India and down into Indonesia and Australia. Thus Southern India did play a special role in human migration, but it was in the movement into Australia, not into Europe.

The map based on the Genographic data. The migration

The map based on the Genographic data. The discovery they’re talking about is the bottom arrow leading to Australia. Note how it doesn’t go to Europe. Also note the lack of arrow leading from India to Europe.

Vasudevan also argues

Another finding from Genographic Project is “Ancient humans started down the path of evolving into two separate species before merging back into a single population.  The two populations lived in isolation for 10,000 years”.  According to the Kumari Model, the African population was a subset of the Kumari population till 60,000 years with a common genetic history.  Therefore the significant finding of Genographic Project fits in perfectly with the Kumari Model

Again, he’s mis-representing the findings of the Genographic Project. They didn’t find that Europeans and Africans had been separated for ages as they migrated in different directions from Kumari land. No, the divergence they identified was between two African populations so is completely inconsistent with his little model.

In fact, the only time Vasudevan doesn’t mis-represent the Genographic project is when he talks about how Europeans are more closely related to Indians than Africans. Of course, what he doesn’t mention is that this is exactly what you’d expect to find under the mainstream model of migration out of Africa.

The bottleneck effect, showing how migrations lead to reduced diversity

When a small segment of a population migrates into a new area they take with them a small segment of the original populations’ genetic diversity. Any migrations that this less diverse population undertake will in turn contain this reduced diversity, and thus be more similar to the first migration than the original population. In other words, we’d expect those who branched off from the migration out of Africa to be more similar to each other than too the original African population.

So when Vasudevan provides an accurate account of the Genographic project it supports his model. In every other instance the real findings lend no credence to the idea we evolved in the mystical Kumari land. However, I don’t think the complete absence of genetic evidence is the biggest problem with the Kumari hypothesis. No, the final nail in the coffin comes from topograhic maps of the Indian Ocean.

Vasudevan claims that 14,000 years or so ago sea levels were 130 metres lower, which is why the Kumari continent was above sea level. However, if you look at maps of the Indian Ocean it becomes readily apparent that to have anything as big as Kumari the sea would actually have to have been 3,000 metres lower. It’s not been that low in millions of years, and certainly wouldn’t have been so when humans were allegedly evolving there.

Without any genetic evidence indicating there was a migration out of Kumari, and no geographical evidence there even was a Kumari, I feel pretty confident in labelling Vasudevan’s model “dead wrong.”

117 thoughts on “The Kumari Model: Did humans evolve in the Indian Ocean?”

  1. pithom says:

    You didn’t mention that humans only arrived on Madagascar in the 1st millennium BC.

    1. Adam Benton says:

      Vasudevan doesn’t say much about Africa. He wants to know where Europeans came from.

  2. Fudge says:

    It’s interesting that the genographic diagram shows 2 migrations into Australasia; one into Australia and one into Papua New Guinea. So this means that Australian aboriginals and Papuans aren’t as closely related as they look. Yet don’t they both have some Denisovan DNA? Presumably they both picked it up as they passed through South East Asia, right?

    1. Adam Benton says:

      We have no idea just how widespread Denisovans were. If they were living in India as well as Central Asia, then both migrations could’ve passed through their territory leading to interbreeding.

      1. Fudge says:

        Yet it’s strange that the only populations that have signs of interbreeding with them are those that passed through SE Asia.

        Maybe at their height Denisovans were widespread across Aisa but by the time modern humans migrate into those areas most of them had died out and only a few populations remained one of which was in SE Asia.

      2. V.Muthuswamy Nadar says:

        In reference of the present world, we can see a lot of island bearing with tamil names. As a mariner, i can make out some of the examples. Most of the island names are changes in local languages in present era. The island series connecting eastern part of Russia and western part of Alaska in Bering Sea, When we see from west 1) Attu Island (means in tamil goat), 2. Agathu Island (mean inner Soul can mean), Kanaga Island, Thanaga Island, all in tamil. See around New Papua (Northern sides) One Volcano Rock called ‘Manam Island, Kovil Island as a tamil name, Caroline Island Having one ‘Tamil Harbour’. Tamilian and Tamil names are spead all around the world. The people around the pacific Islands, east and north of Papua, Vatanau, Solomon Island, especially girls looks like our tamil girls. Why? and How? This is not a miracle. This happened all in pre-stone age. Tamil sangam literature says about the existance of Kumari Kandam. The world people should trust on it, if proved or not proved, the logic of migration only from Kumari Kandam as True. As far as referring Tectonic of earth, Indian plate is connecting Australian plate in south, African plate in west Southwest, Eurasian plate in north. The African plate and the Australian plate split away from the Indian plate is moving north and get through in to Eurasian plate. So in Indian subcontinet, northern part will not be alive in millenium. South part, ‘the great Kumari Kandam’ will come out for you proof. We can see Sumetara in East and Madagascor in west connecting the split and crack in the southern Indian plate. Thanks to read.

        1. Adam Benton says:

          Anecdotal similarities between faces and words doesn’t really count as scientific evidence

        2. Raghubir Singh Thakur says:

          What Mr Muthswamy says is again a matter of debate but, I am keen to have more detail on the slated words, “This happened all in pre-stone age.” How this term has been derived or to what sort material culture it relates to feel quite concerned to know the basis or rout cause to it.
          So please some detail about framing the term, “pre-stone age”.

    2. Adam Benton says:

      There are rumours that the Neanderthal range extended as far as China. I suspect that we have severely underestimated the territory size of these species; so wouldn’t be surprised if it turned out Denisovans lived throughout most of Asia

  3. Sharmalondon says:

    Completely wrong. Well almost.

    One migration from Africa to India approx 60,000years ago, from that moment on, 90% of the world derive from South Asian lineages. Indians first migrate to South India, before moving back up, that migration isolated those who remained in the south from the north because of the Vindhya Mountain range, for 15-20,000years at least. Then from 5-2,000ys ago every single Indian group admixtured between each other. West Asians and Central Asians, come from ANI before ANI merged back with ASI. Both ANI and ASI derive from AI (ancestoral Indians).

    Several migrations out of India, one back to Africa, one to middle east, another to europe, from the east of India, migration to Australia (last one 3,000years ago) and migration to east asia/south east asia.

    1. Adam Benton says:

      Yes, a migration passed through Southern India before re-emerging along the East coast. However, European populations had already split from this migration long before then.

  4. Sharmalondon says:

    Btw that map you have doesnt seem corect, if your saying its the National geographic project. If you type IBM National Geographic project into google image, you get a totally different migration map. Which is the official diagram from National Geographic 2011.

    1. Adam Benton says:

      The map I have is from the official National Geographic genographic website and can be found at https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/human-journey/
      The maps on the IBM genographic website are either consistent with it, or show a slightly more Southern split of the Indian/European branches. Even in the most extreme case, this split does not occur in Southern India, as demanded by the Kumari model

  5. Sharmalondon says:

    Sorry its called:

    IBM National Genographic project.

    1. Adam Benton says:

      Many parts of the IBM site link back to the National Geographic site, which is where I got my information and maps from

  6. Andrew C. Holmes says:

    Kumari land appears to be in the same general region as Lemuria. Both these places are probably better known by their more common name, Imaginationland.

    1. Adam Benton says:

      From what I’ve been able to tell Kumari land is simply a rebranding (or vice versa) of Lemuria. Because the taxonomy of fantasy is important

  7. OB says:

    http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=6381

    Check the above link for some interesting discussions.

    1. Adam Benton says:

      That seems to be a discussion of later population movements, rather than anything relating to what I wrote about

      1. OB says:

        OIT and its related discussions are within the scope of what A.R.Vasudevan wrote. I have his book, he urges to use evidences from Indian epics and literary evidences.

        1. Adam Benton says:

          Vasudevan’s discussion with me revolved around the out of Africa hypothesis. I don’t really have the knowledge to address later periods, but if his efforts to disprove OoA are anything to go by I would be highly skeptical of his claims

  8. Rajan . francis lobo says:

    pls search about no 14,000 , 30,000 to 200,000 years you will see kumari kandam .land mass will come

    1. Adam Benton says:

      Even that long ago nothing in the Indian Ocean as large as Kumari would’ve been exposed.

      1. Rajan . francis lobo says:

        please study graham han cock poompuhar ice flooded , man kind live 9500 yrs more man made structure found mamallapuram , ( mahapailpuram ) and nagapattnam near poompuhar . we have proof , have proof sangam literture also . that continent kumari kandam now change great ice flooded, now land mass are island , same in pacific ocean mu continent also hawali island , fiji island , easter land ,solomon island , …..extra . same in atlantic continect now atlantic ocean island , i ask u how to big ocean , is land there ?
        Madagascar
        Maldives
        Mauritius
        Seychelles
        Sri Lanka
        [edit]Territories

        Andaman and Nicobar (India)
        Bassas da India (France)
        British Indian Ocean Territory
        Chagos Archipelago
        Diego Garcia
        Europa Island (France)
        Glorioso Islands (France)
        Lakshadweep Archipelago (India)
        Mayotte (France)
        Reunion (France)
        Socotra (Yemen)
        Tromelin Island (France)
        Ramree Islands (Myanmar)
        Cheduba Island (Myanmar)
        chirstmas island
        still near kuanya kumari swami vikevekanada temple , near thiurvallur statue big mountain near

        1. Adam Benton says:

          I’m not trying to be dismissive, but I have no idea what you’re saying

          1. Rajan . francis lobo says:

            im tell sea level increase 4 times , like ice flooded , tsunami , storm , ceylon , heavy rain ,natural weather change the land mass contorl by sea water , im say like kid to understand land up and down okey , now down land are water , when sea level increase that up level land also get in sea water .i want tell antiartica still ice flooded for global warming . then also maladives island are going for submerged in furture ? when maladives island submerged that time you come to know how kumari kandam , mu , atlantic will submerged ..

          2. Rajan . francis lobo says:

            you have no idea , then why wrote this kind of article here , makeing wrong idea giving ? for another people ? this all island still survivor land of kumari kandam still in indian ocean . if doubt pls search island of indian ocean , you will get this name okey . do not confuse others .Madagascar
            Maldives
            Mauritius
            Seychelles
            Sri Lanka
            [edit]Territories

            Andaman and Nicobar (India)
            Bassas da India (France)
            British Indian Ocean Territory
            Chagos Archipelago
            Diego Garcia
            Europa Island (France)
            Glorioso Islands (France)
            Lakshadweep Archipelago (India)
            Mayotte (France)
            Reunion (France)
            Socotra (Yemen)
            Tromelin Island (France)
            Ramree Islands (Myanmar)
            Cheduba Island (Myanmar)
            chirstmas island

            example take big cup put it metre land ,1000 , 3000, 5000 same geographic okey , put it ice cube level 500 below the land , put it in warming place it will change water . now understand ? . water level how to increase you cum to know .

          3. Adam Benton says:

            I wrote it because when the other commenter presented the model to me, he used proper sentences I could understand. You are not.

            It’s not that the idea is confusing me, I just can’t read what you’re saying because the English is bad

      2. Rajan . francis lobo says:

        then under water research about it , you come know man kind live there . mysteries come to world about orginal history . kumari kandam , atlantic and mu continent in lumeria land mass .

        1. Rajan . francis lobo says:

          good example still sea level incresae in maladeives , why ? u say no land mass there india ocean , who will put it island there , maladives still people live there . u know ? may be after 50 years maladives island will submerged that time also you people will say there no land mass in genogeographic ?

          1. Adam Benton says:

            I’m not saying that there is nothing in the Indian ocean, just nothing of the size Kumaria allegedly is. An island chain or two is not a continent.

          2. Rajan . francis lobo says:

            kumari kandam , have capital of south madural submerged first sangam there only , pandya king established , kumari nadu , capital kapadapuram second sangam that time picture you put it in frame geographical . im detail about in movies , first video that , under water structure also we found . U – shape near nagapattnam poompuhar history peroidcally . second video there , india government find that structure 1990 , tamil human said that . india marine research at goa ,graham hancock england under water research find that one 2002 . second video im put it . graham hancock find in pacfic ocean relation ship of mu contients near man made structure found in near japan .yonaguni ,okinawa island near .. four times sea level increase , sea water under take the land mass . that is not happen in one second okey u liike , that one happen very very ago okey . in india south coast of tamil nadu in kanya kumari district , near for way two mountain there center of the sea , now that mountain call swami vivekanatha temple and , thiruvallur stasus also there . there good example sea level increase before .!!!!!!!

  9. Rajan . francis lobo says:

    ca. 200,000 to 50,000 BC: evolution of “the Tamilian or Homo Dravida”,
    ca. 200,000 to 100,000 BC: beginnings of the Tamil language
    50,000 BC: Kumari Kandam civilisation
    20,000 BC: A lost Tamil culture of the Easter Island which had an advanced civilisation
    16,000 BC: Lemuria submerged
    6087 BC: Second Tamil Sangam established by a Pandya king
    3031 BC: A Chera prince in his wanderings in the Solomon Islands saw wild sugarcane and started cultivation in Present Tamil nadu.
    1780 BC: The Third Tamil Sangam established by a Pandya king
    7th century BC: Tolkappiyam (the earliest known extant Tamil grammar)

  10. Rajan . francis lobo says:

    lumeria continent in south pacific ocean now that one easter island , but huge mass submerged there
    kumari kandam different lumeria different ?

    1. Rajan . francis lobo says:

      huge land mass like continent submerged

  11. Rajan . francis lobo says:

    kumari kandam submerged in indian ocean

  12. Rajan . francis lobo says:

    lumeria continent another name mu in south pacfic ocean

  13. Rajan . francis lobo says:

    lumeria is the biggest land mass in the world , kumari kandam , atlantic ,mu this continent name in lumeria land mass

    1. Adam Benton says:

      Kumari/Lemuria was a hypothetical continent that was used to explain the similarities between animals in Indian and Madagascar before we developed an understanding of plate tectonics. As such there are some old “maps” of Lemuria, but they’re all hypothetical.

    1. Adam Benton says:

      Again, note how every map is either old or completely computer generated. There are no topographic surveys of the ocean showing this hidden landmass because there is no hidden landmass down there

      1. Rajan . francis lobo says:

        man made structure founded in under water ? why ? who bulit that ? i ask you ?

        1. Adam Benton says:

          Its hard to answer these questions without specifics. What structures are you referring to?

          1. Rajan . francis lobo says:

            iam already put it video . in comments check that one , search google graham hancock under water ice flooded go study that .https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PhGeIxdXorg in poompuhar , in japan island name kumari kandam , have capital of south madural submerged first sangam there only , pandya king established , kumari nadu , capital kapadapuram second sangam that time picture you put it in frame geographical . im detail about in movies , first video that , under water structure also we found . U – shape near nagapattnam poompuhar history peroidcally . second video there , india government find that structure 1990 , tamil human said that . india marine research at goa ,graham hancock england under water research find that one 2002 . second video im put it . graham hancock find in pacfic ocean relation ship of mu contients near man made structure found in near japan .yonaguni ,okinawa island near .. four times sea level increase , sea water under take the land mass . that is not happen in one second okey u liike , that one happen very very ago okey . in india south coast of tamil nadu in kanya kumari district , near for way two mountain there center of the sea , now that mountain call swami vivekanatha temple and , thiruvallur stasus also there . there good example sea level increase before .!!!!!!!https://www.google.co.in/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=9&cad=rja&ved=0CHEQtwIwCA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DxNuOdQzcF5k&ei=w7ukUqCaBMqzrgeUjICgCA&usg=AFQjCNHP7_KFIcWaXDB5co3omOOmbZa5eA&sig2=qJP5-3Kh6XkSXSCDoeoBZQ&bvm=bv.57752919,d.bmk

            https://www.google.co.in/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=10&cad=rja&ved=0CHkQtwIwCQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DOteWTfAX2rs&ei=w7ukUqCaBMqzrgeUjICgCA&usg=AFQjCNGZozW1KnYory0jYAB2P7wCM0cf_A&sig2=dw7WVCB8zFfI1QKeJCM2LQ&bvm=bv.57752919,d.bmk

            https://www.google.co.in/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&cad=rja&ved=0CE8QtwIwBA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Do7GWn5Hba9g&ei=JLykUtjAMITprAf60oDgDw&usg=AFQjCNEgQk6k9eVaFb62n_Goemmbu11i_w&sig2=3Le5_bJ0lPGb6Lq-XwUWHA&bvm=bv.57752919,d.bmk

          2. Rajan . francis lobo says:

            graham hancock find in pacfic ocean relation ship of mu contients near man made structure found in near japan .yonaguni ,okinawa island near

            ..http://www.grahamhancock.com/archive/underworld/underworld1.php?p=4

            In under water structure also we found . U – shape structure near nagapattnam poompuhar history peroidcally . india government find that structure 1990 , tamil human said that . india marine research at goa ,graham hancock england under water research find that one 2002 .

            https://www.google.co.in/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=9&cad=rja&ved=0CHEQtwIwCA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DxNuOdQzcF5k&ei=w7ukUqCaBMqzrgeUjICgCA&usg=AFQjCNHP7_KFIcWaXDB5co3omOOmbZa5eA&sig2=qJP5-3Kh6XkSXSCDoeoBZQ&bvm=bv.57752919,d.bmk

            https://www.google.co.in/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&cad=rja&ved=0CE8QtwIwBA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Do7GWn5Hba9g&ei=JLykUtjAMITprAf60oDgDw&usg=AFQjCNEgQk6k9eVaFb62n_Goemmbu11i_w&sig2=3Le5_bJ0lPGb6Lq-XwUWHA&bvm=bv.57752919,d.bmk

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            Online Introduction to Underworld
            From Fingerprints of the Gods to Underworld

            An Essay on Methods
            By Graham Hancock

            The mystery of the U-shaped structure

            Yet there are so many underworlds.

            I’ll not add here to what I have to say in the book and the television series about Malta, China and Japan — or why and where I think the Grand Bahama Bank as it last looked 6000 years ago is portrayed on the infamous Piri Reis Map of 1513.

            I’d like to close with the Indian “theme” of the last few paragraphs but in a place about as far away as you can get from the Gulf of Cambay and still be in India.

            The place is called Poompuhar. It lies on southeast India’s Coromandel coast facing the Bay of Bengal between modern Tamil Nadu and Sri Lanka. Its immediate offshore area has been the subject of marine archaeological investigations by India’s National Institute of Oceanography since the 1980’s — and numerous non-controversial finds of man-made structures dated between the third century AD and the third century BC have been made in the “inter-tidal zone” close to shore at depths down to 6 feet (approximately 2 metres).

            These finds of structures in shallow water (some so shallow that they are exposed at low tide) have been quite widely written-up in the archaeological literature. But for some reason other discoveries that the NIO has made in deeper water off Poompuhar have attracted no attention at all. Most notably these other discoveries include a second completely separate group of structures fully three miles from the Poompuhar shore in water that is more than 70 feet (23 metres) deep. The lack of interest is surprising because to anyone with even minimal knowledge of post-glacial sea-level rise their depth of submergence is – or should be – highly anomalous. Indeed according to Glenn Milne’s sea-level data the land on which these structures were built last stood above water at the end of the Ice Age more than 11,000 years ago.

            Is it a coincidence that there are ancient Tamil flood myths that speak of a great kingdom that once existed in this area called Kumari Kandam that was swallowed up by the sea? Amazingly the myths put a date of 11,600 years ago on these events — the same timeframe given by Plato for the end of Atlantis in another ocean.

            Like the cities in the Gulf of Cambay the underwater structures three miles offshore of Poompuhar were first identified by an instrument called sidescan sonar that profiles the seabed. One structure in particular was singled out for investigation and was explored by divers from India’s National Institute of Oceanography in 1991 and 1993. Although they were not at that time aware of the implications of its depth of submergence — i.e. that it is at least 11,500 years old — the 1991 study confirms that it is man-made and describes it as:

            a horse-shoe-shaped object, its height being one to two metres. A few stone blocks were found in the one-metre wide arm. The distance between the two arms in 20 metres. Whether the object is a shrine or some other man-made structure now at 23 metres [70 feet] depth remains to be examined in the next field season.
            The 1993 study refines the measurements:

            The structure of U-shape was located at a water depth of 23 metres which is about 5 kilometres off shore. The total peripheral length of the object is 85 metres while the distance between the two arms is 13 metres and the maximum height is 2 metres Divers observed growth of thick marine organism on the structure, but in some sections a few courses of masonry were noted
            After 1993, no further marine archaeology was conducted along the Poompuhar coast until 2001 when I arranged with the NIO to dive on the U-shaped structure with funding from Channel 4 television in Britain and the Learning Channel in the US. Exclusive footage of the structure was filmed and is shown in episode 2 of the Underworld television series. Chapter 14 of the book is a report of our dives at Poompuhar, and what we found there.

            Dr A.S. Gaur of the NIO told me on camera that it would have required “a very great technology” to build the U-shaped structure — one far beyond the abilities of known cultures in India 11,500 years ago. For Dr Gaur this is a reason to doubt the accuracy of the sea-level-data which suggests that the structure was submerged so long ago. However the NIO have not yet been successful in recovering any datable materials or artefacts that could tell us its age more directly (for example by C-14 or TL tests).

            My own expedition to Poompuhar with the NIO in 2001 was limited to diving on the U-shaped structure and one neighbouring structure. But what’s really exciting is that more than 20 other large structures are known to be located in the same area down to depths of more than 100 feet. These have so far been identified only by sidescan sonar and never yet explored by divers. I’ve organised an expedition jointly with India’s National Institute of Oceanography and John Blashford-Snell’s Scientific Exploration Society in Britain to map and investigate these other structures in March/April 2002.

            The Cambay and Poompuhar discoveries are both reported in depth for the first time in Underworld and set into the proper context of the flood myths and inundation history of the broader regions to which they belong.

            If they are what they seem to be — a caution I must repeat since so little research has actually been done by anyone — then they signal an exciting new era in Indian archaeology in which the investigation of submerged ruins will play an increasingly important role. How do the Poompuhar finds compare with those in Cambay? Are they both parts of the same lost civilisation? Or do they perhaps represent two separate Ice Age cultures, one based in the north and the other in the south of the subcontinent?

            Further exploration, involving divers, sonar scans and the recovery and analysis of artefacts will provide the answers.

            And for reasons that I explain in Underworld, I think India’s most ancient scriptures, the Vedas, also have a lot to tell us. There are tremendously good reasons to disbelieve the scholarly consensus (certainly the consensus amongst Western scholars) that the Vedas were composed as late as 1500 B.C. Parts of them probably do date from then; but some of the hymns could be much older than that — carried down by oral traditions from much earlier times.

            I think it all goes back to the Ice Age.

            And in Underworld I try to explain why.

      2. Pushpa Kumar Lakshmanan says:

        Is it not possible to establish the truth with the help of modern technologies such as Satellite imagery and carbon dating of relics found under the water? Is there any archaeological or scientific project going on right now on this direction?

        1. Adam Benton says:

          It should be possible, but I’m not aware of any projects going on. With little reason to give the hypothesis credence – as I discuss in the post – I doubt any institution would be willing to waste money on the venture. An underwater excavation can easily cost tens of millions of dollars.

          1. The Fact says:

            Adam, your juz too ignorant…go check out ORISSA BALU research on underwater structures and sea turtles…His researches was only with fishermans from coastal of india.

          2. Adam Benton says:

            No. I’m not going to go off and do your reading and research for you. If you think there’s a case to be made here, you make it. Don’t just tell me to go look at other stuff.

          3. The Fact says:

            your a total joke mate…i aint gonna waste my time on a idiot like you…
            You want me to spoon feed you, that will never happen…And you talk cock, as though your a researcher, but juz an empty vessel, dictating facts from a proven researcher and evidence…
            First you answer me – How many people dived at the indian ocean to deny Kumari Kandam facts??? well i do have proof from sea/marine researchers that have dived in and unveiling true facts on civillisation…
            Its only western idiots as you, are in the denial state…

          4. Adam Benton says:

            I don’t think I’m going to loose much sleep over your dismissal. You’ve yet to offer a single shred of evidence in support of your claims. When you’ve got an oceanographic map identifying the missing land; or an artifact radiometrically dated to the right time frame then maybe there’ll be a conversation worth having. But the speed with which you resort to insults shows me you don’t have any of those things; or even a leg to stand on.

  14. Rajan . francis lobo says:

    lemuria tamil word (இலெமூரியா Ilemūriyā) , leaf plant forest for medcine that established in kumari kandam , that way name llemuriya meaning in the name of the( le)af still now ?, i will tell example In furture you people stay in himalayas everest , kancha kanchi land , that time asia continent will submerged , that time also you people will say there no geo graphic land for india , russia , china , extra …..

    1. Rajan . francis lobo says:

      may be asia big continent will change furture in island . do n’t worry still global warming there in antarctica , green land island north pole and south pole ice flooded there , sea level increase okey . that you come to know in furture , same happen in kumarikandam , mu , atlantic continent .

      1. Adam Benton says:

        Again, not trying to be dismissive but these sentences just make no grammatical sense. I have no idea what you’re saying.

        1. Rajan . francis lobo says:

          i write in english word only , i am not write alien words . do not have answer my question that you teliing like this !!!!!

          1. Adam Benton says:

            Your words are fine, the order they’re in is it. Your grammar is bad. Again, I’m not trying to be insulting or dismissive, I’m just having a hard time understanding what you’re saying which makes it difficult to reply

  15. Rajan . francis lobo says:

    why man kind have in hand finger to finger web ?
    why man kind have in salt sweat in his body ?
    why man kind not more then hair in his body like monkey ? but man kind have only in hair more in head why ? first say this question for the answer ? i will ask some another question same for human and monkey different ?

    1. Adam Benton says:

      1. The other apes have similar “webbing”, it is not unusual to humans.
      2. Sweat is salty to remove excess sodium from our body
      3. Our lack of fur may be linked to the need to lower our body temperature when engaging in high energy activities such as running, and/or to reduce the habitat for parasites in our body

      1. Rajan . francis lobo says:

        please say name of apes ?
        i know human sweat excess sodium from our body , how man get that ? in apes not have this becuase of the hair ?
        you makeing joke , you say apes have in hair in body but human have not more ? because of sea water ,
        apes get that , after kumari kandam submerged (இலெமூரியா( Ile)mūriyā) tamil word , (lle)y tamil word in english( le)af (lle)muriya land medicine plants in kumari kandam (le)af name get for that land mass . same name get for (lle)mur apes get madagaser island swim and reach that land . that way human get salt sweat excess because of sea water, swim in sea water that way apes get web in finger to finger , take example for sea animals sea lion , crocodile , whale , sea mammals still in sea water , once upon time that mammals lived in land , llemuriya . some apes in black colour , some apes in browns colour because of colour change of the sea water , if you have black hair bathing in sea water you get brown colour hair .

  16. Rajan . francis lobo says:

    why man kind getting salt cry in his eye ?
    why child baby swim and self contorl breathing in water ?
    why baby fat to born ? but in monkey baby was not born with fat ?
    just answer me my question ? im also saying in man kind cuming monkey but ? how to human get this all ?

    1. Adam Benton says:

      I didn’t understand most of these questions. I think I got the second one; and the simple answer is that they have a few basic instincts which may help not die when submerged. It’s easy to imagine how this may have been useful during the course of evolution and is not exactly a unique ability either.

      1. Rajan . francis lobo says:

        you not understand means you do not know anything about this ? simple answer because of sea water . when kumari kandam submerged , llemurr human swim the sea water and reach the lands.

        1. Adam Benton says:

          You’re wrong about that. It takes a long time for features to develop, they couldn’t have appeared to deal with a sinking continent unless it was a gradual process that took hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of years

  17. Rajan . francis lobo says:

    still land mass sinking sea level increase in every second , only im already man made structure in under near south coast of india and japan , read it and reply me , i add video also . that comments .

  18. Rajan . francis lobo says:

    https://www.google.co.in/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=9&cad=rja&ved=0CHEQtwIwCA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DxNuOdQzcF5k&ei=w7ukUqCaBMqzrgeUjICgCA&usg=AFQjCNHP7_KFIcWaXDB5co3omOOmbZa5eA&sig2=qJP5-3Kh6XkSXSCDoeoBZQ&bvm=bv.57752919,d.bmk

    https://www.google.co.in/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&cad=rja&ved=0CE8QtwIwBA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Do7GWn5Hba9g&ei=JLykUtjAMITprAf60oDgDw&usg=AFQjCNEgQk6k9eVaFb62n_Goemmbu11i_w&sig2=3Le5_bJ0lPGb6Lq-XwUWHA&bvm=bv.57752919,d.bmk

    https://www.google.co.in/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=10&cad=rja&ved=0CHkQtwIwCQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DOteWTfAX2rs&ei=w7ukUqCaBMqzrgeUjICgCA&usg=AFQjCNGZozW1KnYory0jYAB2P7wCM0cf_A&sig2=dw7WVCB8zFfI1QKeJCM2LQ&bvm=bv.57752919,d.bmk

    Online Introduction to Underworld
    From Fingerprints of the Gods to Underworld

    An Essay on Methods
    By Graham Hancock

    The mystery of the U-shaped structure

    Yet there are so many underworlds.

    I’ll not add here to what I have to say in the book and the television series about Malta, China and Japan — or why and where I think the Grand Bahama Bank as it last looked 6000 years ago is portrayed on the infamous Piri Reis Map of 1513.

    I’d like to close with the Indian “theme” of the last few paragraphs but in a place about as far away as you can get from the Gulf of Cambay and still be in India.

    The place is called Poompuhar. It lies on southeast India’s Coromandel coast facing the Bay of Bengal between modern Tamil Nadu and Sri Lanka. Its immediate offshore area has been the subject of marine archaeological investigations by India’s National Institute of Oceanography since the 1980′s — and numerous non-controversial finds of man-made structures dated between the third century AD and the third century BC have been made in the “inter-tidal zone” close to shore at depths down to 6 feet (approximately 2 metres).

    These finds of structures in shallow water (some so shallow that they are exposed at low tide) have been quite widely written-up in the archaeological literature. But for some reason other discoveries that the NIO has made in deeper water off Poompuhar have attracted no attention at all. Most notably these other discoveries include a second completely separate group of structures fully three miles from the Poompuhar shore in water that is more than 70 feet (23 metres) deep. The lack of interest is surprising because to anyone with even minimal knowledge of post-glacial sea-level rise their depth of submergence is – or should be – highly anomalous. Indeed according to Glenn Milne’s sea-level data the land on which these structures were built last stood above water at the end of the Ice Age more than 11,000 years ago.

    Is it a coincidence that there are ancient Tamil flood myths that speak of a great kingdom that once existed in this area called Kumari Kandam that was swallowed up by the sea? Amazingly the myths put a date of 11,600 years ago on these events — the same timeframe given by Plato for the end of Atlantis in another ocean.

    Like the cities in the Gulf of Cambay the underwater structures three miles offshore of Poompuhar were first identified by an instrument called sidescan sonar that profiles the seabed. One structure in particular was singled out for investigation and was explored by divers from India’s National Institute of Oceanography in 1991 and 1993. Although they were not at that time aware of the implications of its depth of submergence — i.e. that it is at least 11,500 years old — the 1991 study confirms that it is man-made and describes it as:

    a horse-shoe-shaped object, its height being one to two metres. A few stone blocks were found in the one-metre wide arm. The distance between the two arms in 20 metres. Whether the object is a shrine or some other man-made structure now at 23 metres [70 feet] depth remains to be examined in the next field season.
    The 1993 study refines the measurements:

    The structure of U-shape was located at a water depth of 23 metres which is about 5 kilometres off shore. The total peripheral length of the object is 85 metres while the distance between the two arms is 13 metres and the maximum height is 2 metres Divers observed growth of thick marine organism on the structure, but in some sections a few courses of masonry were noted
    After 1993, no further marine archaeology was conducted along the Poompuhar coast until 2001 when I arranged with the NIO to dive on the U-shaped structure with funding from Channel 4 television in Britain and the Learning Channel in the US. Exclusive footage of the structure was filmed and is shown in episode 2 of the Underworld television series. Chapter 14 of the book is a report of our dives at Poompuhar, and what we found there.

    Dr A.S. Gaur of the NIO told me on camera that it would have required “a very great technology” to build the U-shaped structure — one far beyond the abilities of known cultures in India 11,500 years ago. For Dr Gaur this is a reason to doubt the accuracy of the sea-level-data which suggests that the structure was submerged so long ago. However the NIO have not yet been successful in recovering any datable materials or artefacts that could tell us its age more directly (for example by C-14 or TL tests).

    My own expedition to Poompuhar with the NIO in 2001 was limited to diving on the U-shaped structure and one neighbouring structure. But what’s really exciting is that more than 20 other large structures are known to be located in the same area down to depths of more than 100 feet. These have so far been identified only by sidescan sonar and never yet explored by divers. I’ve organised an expedition jointly with India’s National Institute of Oceanography and John Blashford-Snell’s Scientific Exploration Society in Britain to map and investigate these other structures in March/April 2002.

    The Cambay and Poompuhar discoveries are both reported in depth for the first time in Underworld and set into the proper context of the flood myths and inundation history of the broader regions to which they belong.

    If they are what they seem to be — a caution I must repeat since so little research has actually been done by anyone — then they signal an exciting new era in Indian archaeology in which the investigation of submerged ruins will play an increasingly important role. How do the Poompuhar finds compare with those in Cambay? Are they both parts of the same lost civilisation? Or do they perhaps represent two separate Ice Age cultures, one based in the north and the other in the south of the subcontinent?

    Further exploration, involving divers, sonar scans and the recovery and analysis of artefacts will provide the answers.

    And for reasons that I explain in Underworld, I think India’s most ancient scriptures, the Vedas, also have a lot to tell us. There are tremendously good reasons to disbelieve the scholarly consensus (certainly the consensus amongst Western scholars) that the Vedas were composed as late as 1500 B.C. Parts of them probably do date from then; but some of the hymns could be much older than that — carried down by oral traditions from much earlier times.

    I think it all goes back to the Ice Age.

    And in Underworld I try to explain why.
    graham hancock find out , japan people also know about the in pacfic ocean relation ship of mu contients near man made structure found in near japan .yonaguni ,okinawa island near.

    In under water structure also we found . U – shape structure near nagapattnam poompuhar history peroidcally . malallampuram and mahabailpuram man made structure there . india government find out that structure 1990 , tamil people well known about this . india marine research at goa ,graham hancock england under water team research find that one 2002 . video there we are proof in there civilization before ice age , but that all in understand .

    1. Adam Benton says:

      “If they are what they seem to be — a caution I must repeat since so little research has actually been done by anyone

      Yeah, with such little research this isn’t wholly convincing.

      1. Rajan . francis lobo says:

        dumb ears not hear ha ha ha , wasteing of my time ha ha ha …..

      2. Rajan . francis lobo says:

        this is proof have man kind human live before in under water land in ice age , now that all in underwater , our research continous indian ocean islands do not worry .. the true will cum out qucikly , this is only tralier ah .

      3. Rajan . francis lobo says:

        saw the video link in google .

      4. Rajan . francis lobo says:

        tamil people well know this our history and saw also , ever old tamil people tell generation to generation okey . u shape man made structure , why i beileve graham han cock , we are people tell india government and graham hancock only . graham hancock im also saw and conifrim for proof tamil civilization as a research the man made struture found in underwater . he take research of underwater of iceage civilization ., yeah your(adam benton ) research article only with such little research this isn’t wholly convincing . this your adam benton wrong article research has actally been done any one like adam benton only .

        1. Adam Benton says:

          If you can provide a single piece of evidence that supports the existence of a substantial landmass in the Indian ocean that would be exposed during the last glacial maximum, then maybe you’d have a point. As it stands you don’t. Until you can furnish such evidence I think I’ve entertained you long enough

          1. Rajan . francis lobo says:

            adam benton okey brother one day The truth of kumarikandam will come out sure . i beilieve in truth . happy chirstmas . i am pray for god and my work .

          2. Rajan . francis lobo says:

            small story for you brother
            teacher put it point on the black board .
            teacher ask his student , what you seeing on the black board
            student say madam , we are saw only black board ..
            teacher explain to say the student do not miss the single point evidence also do not miss it .that one help you , even small macthes box stick also help u . as a black board still white point on there . look it open your eyes on the inside of the black board . i think you get it . my point . you also good entertainment for me because i am only smiling in comments you not ha ha ha …….

  19. Rajan . francis lobo says:

    ice age civilization are in under water , kumari kandam , mu atlantic land
    lumeria ,
    kumari .
    sumeria
    all word in tamil only , but english pronoun , spelling making different , first you understand that .

  20. Rajan . francis lobo says:

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=531973616894789&set=pcb.531975546894596&type=1&relevant_count=1

    land mass geographic taken british univeristy John Blashford-Snell’s Scientific Exploration Society in Britain to map and investigate these other structures in March/April 2002.

    Poompuhar with the NIO in 2001 was limited to diving on the U-shaped structure and one neighbouring structure. But what’s really exciting is that more than( 20) other large structures are known to be located in the same area down to depths of more than 100 feet. These have so far been identified only by sidescan sonar and never yet explored by divers. evidence is evidence only you do not thinking small or big , single or double . large or small …extra

    Is it a coincidence that there are ancient Tamil flood myths that speak of a great kingdom that once existed in this area called Kumari Kandam that was swallowed up by the sea? Amazingly the myths put a date of 11,600 years ago on these events — the same timeframe given by Plato for the end of Atlantis in another ocean.

    mu contient ,graham hancock find out , japan people also know about the in pacfic ocean relation ship of mu contients near man made structure found in near japan .yonaguni ,okinawa island near.

    tamil periodcally history contact 3031 BC: A Chera prince in his wanderings in the Solomon Islands saw wild sugarcane and started cultivation in Present Tamil nadu.
    man made structure yonaguni ,okinawa island near. video

    https://www.google.co.in/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=9&cad=rja&ved=0CHEQtwIwCA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DxNuOdQzcF5k&ei=w7ukUqCaBMqzrgeUjICgCA&usg=AFQjCNHP7_KFIcWaXDB5co3omOOmbZa5eA&sig2=qJP5-3Kh6XkSXSCDoeoBZQ&bvm=bv.57752919,d.bmk

    i am saying three continent kumari kandam , mu and atlantis land mass of llemuriya are submerged by sea level increase of great ice flooded and natural (tsunami, storm , ceylon , typhoon ,) destroyed before.. but still sea level increase reason for ice flooded in antartica continent . (global warming) important maladives island every second land mass sea level increase there .

    In our live land mass also same like 1000 , 2000, 3000, 4000, 5000 , 6000 more than 6000 metres high est mountain have in the world still in land mass you do not for get .The Himalayan range is home to the planet’s highest peaks, including the highest, Mount Everest. The Himalayas include over a hundred mountains exceeding 7,200 metres (23,600 ft) in elevation. By contrast, the highest peak outside Asia – Aconcagua, in the Andes – is 6,961 metres (22,838 ft) tall.[2] The Himalayas have profoundly shaped the cultures of South Asia. In kumari kandam also have seven ( alu) mountain , biggest mountains before meru mountain , podhigai mountain call by our tamil people in kumari kandam .

    1. Adam Benton says:

      Oh cropped un-sourced photos from Facebook. What compelling proof you have.

      1. Rajan . francis lobo says:

        land mass geographic taken british univeristy John Blashford-Snell’s Scientific Exploration Society in Britain to map and investigate these other structures in March/April 2002. ,, that man only find out geographic ice flooded continents land mass . read my comments fully there proof . you arrenged photo upload i will give you proof in your comments . that one my facebook account . i share from graham han cock article that photo s . the ice flooded kingdom in the underwater . at same time mu continent also submerged in pacficocean .

  21. Rajasundaram Jayanthan says:

    Old bother to spend millions on these useless survey. These millions of dollars can save the lifestyle of the starving human

    1. Adam Benton says:

      Yes, because gathering data on oceans could have no possible practical implications

      1. Rajan . francis lobo says:

        every thing possible if you try ,,, im not lazy but ….?

      2. rajan says:

        if you not gathering data about india ocean , lllemuriya (lumeria) , kumari kandam infromation and you do not about the tamil literture also ,, why you make like this article ??? brother ?

        1. Adam Benton says:

          Someone asked for my thoughts on the matter

    2. rajan says:

      are you tamilan ????? i am not think so ????

  22. A.R.Vasudevan says:

    A.R.Vasudevan:- In response to Adam Benton dated 2nd Dec 2014. He says “I’m not saying that there is nothing in the Indian ocean, just nothing of the size Kumaria allegedly is. An island chain or two is not a continent.”
    1.Obviously this is a remark without reading the book where the extent of Kumari Kandam is defined.It stretches from South India up to Antarctica continent. Kumari in the warmer places was known as Perivalnadu( in Tamil) and in the colder region it was known as Olinadu meaning land of lights.
    2.Even today the remnants of Kumari Kandam is quite a large area when we consider Antarctica which is nearly twice the size of Australia. In addition if we take into account the area submerged due to rise In sea level of say 100 meters the area becomes even larger. It is worth noting that according to Spencer Wells sea level difference of 100 meters can make a large difference in the area of land exposed translating into an extra exposure of as much as 200km of land. With so much of sea shore around so many ialands, one can easily imagine the extra land that becomes available when the sea level is low.
    3.Now I shall tell you something which is not in the book. Around 74,000 years ago the biggest volcano eruption in 2 million years occurred in Toba in Sumatra. Now the date of 60,000 years for the first migration from Africa is being questioned and 74,000 years is being suggested instead. Toba is a super volcano which spread out 2800 cubic kms of magma and ash. When this much material comes from inside the earth’s crust, it should be compensated at some other place, which would have caused considerable area of land sinking into the sea.
    4.I was an eye witness to the catastrophic Boxing day Tsunami of 2004. Unfortunately, the Kumari land is adjoining the volcano land of Sumatra. There were a number of Tsunamis which would have caused heavy damage to the coastal areas with consequent loss of life and property.
    5.When they said land being swallowed by the sea, they meant:
    a) land getting submerged due to rise in sea level.
    b)damage due to tsunami.
    b)earth’s crust sinking below sea level to due void created when enormous amount of magma is spread out of a volcano.
    Apart from the above there might have been other phenomenon that we do not know.
    6) At the moment what we need is proper understanding of the subject instead of haughty dismissals.

    1. Adam Benton says:

      The ocean floor in the region is – on average – thousands of kilometres deep. No matter what sort of volcanoes or other explanations you want to invoke; there’s no way recent changes in sea level would expose any landmass of substance.

  23. Durai Dhanabalan says:

    I read everything given here. I understand Mr.Rajan Francis lobos arguments and respect his technical knowledge. But, a friendly request to him I extend to improve his written English so that everyone could understand his writings. And I request him not to get emotional in such arguments and use unnecessary words. And I like Mr. Vasudevans writings and his points.
    Mr.Adam Benton, I appreciate your patience and writings. But I would like to know if you have read about Tamil literature Iraiyanaar ahapporul urai and its contents. In that its author Nakkiran has explained about the first Tamil sangam with a life span of 4400 years, names of 89 Pandiya kings who ruled the land, names of the great literary works in that period. He has given many historical details in that through which it has been determined that it belongs to 9000 BCE.
    Chronicles of China and the age old Sanskrit literary works also ensure the Tamil sangam details. Mr.Graham Hancock has established through his research that Tamil civilization dates back to 11500 years and it is the cradle of human civilization. Mr.Adam Benton, could you deny that? If you happen to read this, please reply me.

    1. Adam Benton says:

      I’m only passingly familiar with Graham Hancock, but I haven’t been impressed with what I have seen. If you have a specific reference I’ll try and take a look at it if I can. However, it’s not up to me to deny anything. Science works by starting at the null hypothesis (the position that a claim is untrue) and then trying to demonstrate that claim is actually true.

      In other words, people have to make the case that this civilisation existed and/or is really old; not try and make the case that it isn’t.

      1. Durai Dhanabalan says:

        Dear Adam Benton,
        There is a proverb in Tamil as We can wake up a sleeping person, but can’t wake up one who pretends. Sorry to say this, you are the second type. Bye…

      2. Enn says:

        In ancient Indian mythology kumaris were angels. Land of the kumari was inhabited with elevated souls migrated here from several other planets: Mars, Venus etc. Avatara Rama lived 20 000 years ago in Ayodhya. He was referred as Sun Dynasty king.
        People did not evolve from one mother and father. They came ready made to this planet as 5-6 different races. People have came here 2 times from Venus and from here Venus was also colonised after its catastrophs.

        1. Adam Benton says:

          Several other planets that just so happened to share the exact same genetic structure. A structure also identical to life on earth; sufficient to place them within the family tree of organisms native to this planet? Occam’s razor says that’s a rather silly idea.

  24. Le Soleil de Miel says:

    Hey Benton ! You deserve a ‘nobel’ prize for your unbelievable patience with these apes ! You are wasting your time with all these guys who are actually – literally a sub-rational species that operates and self -feeds on raw xenophobic, tamil-nationalist emotion which turns nasty and unbelievably vicious ( The LTTE terrorist group, now wiped out, is their prime example ). Trust me – Iv been a victim of physical violence and intimidation for decades merely by the fact of not being born into a tamil speaking family while having the impudent audacity of living there all my life only because the ‘british-influenced indian constitution’ protects me ! My late professor of psychology – a visiting faculty of Harvard Medical School, actually studied this subject exhaustively, before coming up with the conclusion that the tamils suffer chronically from the worst form of an inferiority complex. This makes them at once superficially courteous and internally enraged. Hence it takes little for the latent viciousness to erupt ! If one doesnt agree with their viewpoint , then one is taken as the enemy, and if one has the misfortune of living in ‘their’ land, then God help you !! (that even He doesnt is quite besides the point ! ). Add to this a simply abysmal absence of even a minimal grasp of english – and you have the farce above , which an iota of self respect would have easily made avoidable ! Thanks for reading my ‘diatribe’ in case it comes thru that way to you ! Congratulations on your blog ! I find it interesting and shall visit often as i can. Bestest !

    1. Anbu says:

      “unbelievable patience with these apes”— your unbelievable harsh to these guys.. Seriously, why? A few Tamil guys are living in their own fantasy world. They are not ready to accept the reality because for their love about ancestory, heritage and half knowledge.

      BTW, without any doubt Tamil language and civilization is one of the old in the world. But not like the mother of Language. That’s total Bulls hit.

  25. Le Soleil de Miel says:

    And yes , Im looking forward to sharing my views with you on the so called “aryan invasion” of india as conventional archaeology/history supposes to be the case. 🙂

  26. Sriram Prasath says:

    Hello Adam!

    I just read some of your articles and they are pretty informative, got to learn a lot from it, thank you.

    The Kumari land may probably be the cradle of civilizations (there are evidences for that) But It has no relevance to the timescales we talk of when it comes to evolution and migration of the first humans. The legends found in the Sangam literature only talk of the potentially earliest Civilization. Also they cannot be thought of as legends since the Sangam was one of the earliest scientific congregation of intellectual elites of that time. But this is just the tip of the Iceberg

    Im sure if the ancient literature all over the world can be brought together, and if we device methods to see past the superficial exaggerations their core truths and Implications can be used to predict with greater accuracy into the past.

    And Im also sure of this, the truth is going to be far crazier than what any of us have imagined. lol!!

    Peace

  27. katesisco says:

    AN interesting blog is newgeology.us which depicts a global catastrophic event which separated India, Australia and Madagascar from Africa. Perhaps a continent of large size was in the Pacific and at an earlier catastrophic event had been drawn down South to be the South Pole? And it appears that Greenland suffered the same fate being drawn toward the North Pole only there was insufficient energy to complete the maneuver?
    What energy sponsored this? Our magnetar sun, Sol. Since the melting of our ice cover and the beginning of our ice ages, which have shown a steady decrease which correlated to a decrease in monopole solar energy exposure, and an increase in loosening dipolar energy. Now we experience monopole energy only 1 year in 10, so weak as to permit dipole loosening almost exclusively.
    Beetle Sun, A Not So Safe Place to Live, Expanded Earth.

    1. Adam Benton says:

      That’s a fairly big leap to make, from continental drift to missing continents.

  28. b.gupta says:

    my views — in Kandha Guru Kavasam , one word comes ‘ kanni ma “‘ there would be some concern or link . at those times some things would had been took placed wrong . why the things are happening wrong and wrongs from the very very ancient times . humans were/are being spoiled killed .

    Were rama and ravana were enemy ? , if i am not wrong rama shakti and murgan and veerbhadra are same avatars . there would had been great conspirancies to kill the peoples .which were from the westren and south westron parts of himayalas .

    Culprits and cruel peoples , who had done cruelities on brahma and saraswati , and ganga and sita , ahiyilia , draupdi and on many goddesses and gods ,and on good peoples ,

    crores and crores of peoples are being killed ,destryoed in such a way no one can find out , and given different shapes and made to bad brains and minds , genetical deshaped and disorded to lusty and bad brains and bad minds . are made from single soul to multy humans souls to suffer and painful creatures to never become humans and buried alive under earth and even killed into stomaches and made to toilets and throughn into hells like toilets

    Krishna ,rama ,shiva and others mahans good were/are good peoples ,never do sins ,and indras and others were bad always doing sins and bad acts .why others peoples could not become good humans and peoples

    (my views , which i found some what truth )my views may or may not be acceptable truth.

    Many ramayanas are there , like valmiki ,vashist ,kamb, ramanujan ,ramayanaa are few of many other versons of ramayana ,
    what is the meaning of ramayana found ,– ramayana = ram +ayan ( ayan meaning came ) ,

    according to some stories ahyilyia was cursed by gotham rishi , Ahalya was converted to stone ,As for Ahalya, Gautama granted her the boon that she would be brought back to human form by the touch of the feet of Lord Rama .
    so rama avatar would had been made (incarnated) ,thus how many ramas would had been created ,

    would gotham rishi would be knowing about rama avatar ?

    like ramayana so many ahilya versons are there ,( like in a verson , ganga tells to gautam , it is mid night not the bath time go to home and see some thing would have been wrong ) .

    how many Ahilyas storeies would had been made and how many gautams would had been made and how many ahilyas lifes would had been spoiled ,how many indras would had been made and how many girls/boys souls would had been made to sit in hen or cock and make sound (cock crow) .thus how many would had been made culprits ,sinners ,bad brains ,bad habituals of bad acts and bad karma .
    and those cuilprits , sinners are/would had been made to quarrel and killed in the wars of ramanyana .?

    mahabharta , would had took placed for the revenges and the cruelties happened on ladies ( like savarupnakha ,sita ) . to show the cruelities ,gamblings were played and sarees were made to removed

    mahabharata would had been happened for revenges of ramayana and ramayana would had been happened for ahiylia and what would be reason behind ahiliyia insult was conspirancies or any ones evil idea .

    really how many would had been real culptits and how many would had been created and how many would had been victims of vengences and eneyminities and how many peoples souls would had been killed

    killed peoples would had been given births to different parents , differnt mothers ,different fathers , and thus differnt marrages would had taken places in past birth some ones mothers would had been wife of some another person .and some wrong and illigal methods and would had been used like rapes for the birth and for enemities and revenges .
    thus quarrels would had been on increasing ,and peoples and souls became culprits and victims .

    ( peoples which had to make lifes good and better , used the criminals ,and wrong ideas and methods for spoiling and destroying the lifes )

    More than 99 % of peoples, gods ,souls had been inocents ,had not been victims . if polatictics , conspirancies , crimanilites ,some wrong traditions and some wrong rules of few from the ancient times would had not been made.

    for examples of very few , link given below–copy & paste

    1/ vlc record 2014 10 13 02h33m30s vlc record 2014 10 13 02h31m19s Agathiyar YouTube flv mp4 list=UURxRikkS_B1mWxYWrujrdnw&spfreload=10
    2/ dasavataram .4.avi – YouTube2.wmv kS_B1mWxYWrujrdnw&spfreload=10

  29. amal says:

    INTELLECTUAL ARGUMENTS ARE HEALTHIER WITH INTELLECTUALLY SIMPLE SOULS.. GREAT. IS IT TRUE TAMIL IS THE ROOT OF ALL WORLDLY LANGUAGES AND MOTHER OF THE INDIAN LANGUAGES…?

    1. Adam Benton says:

      No

      1. The Fact says:

        Who are you to conclude as NO
        Adam, if simple proof your a empty vessel talking utter bollocks….LOL

        1. Adam Benton says:

          Who am I to say no? Someone who went and looked at the phylogeny of languages and found they didn’t match what you were claiming

      2. Enn says:

        explain – no is not an answer

        1. Adam Benton says:

          That which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

    2. Anbu says:

      No. Tamil is not root of all language. But, with out about its equivalent to Sanskrit. Existed even before Latin, Mandarin. Your question is the result of scholars addicted to Tamil. BTW, I am tamilan.

  30. Ramz says:

    Then why US havng big investment on Diego Garcia

    1. Adam Benton says:

      Because they have big investments all over the place

  31. Enn says:

    Did an author overlook the facts that Easter island and Mohenjo Daro had same scripture? How did this happen? 😀

    1. Adam Benton says:

      Do you have any evidence for that claim?

  32. Anonymous says:

    Shreyas : see I may agree that kumari kandam may have existed. But how come it became tamil .kumari is a sanskrit word. Kandam is also a sanskrit word .it has a root . I have never seen any tamil word having a root . How come dravidians became tamil people ? This is heights of fanatics. He he he .Mr Francis please try to accept others arguments .don’t keep saying about one person . Meru is also there in puranas but it is not some tamil word .

  33. cynicalme says:

    Isn’t it funny how there are a few fringe Chinese researchers who want to claim that South East China is the cradle of humanity (a belief probably rooted in Chinese nationalism) and now there are a few fringe Indian researchers who want to claim that our migration through India was pivotal moment in human history.

    I don’t detect any bias here. Nope, none whatsoever

    1. Adam Benton says:

      It’s not the first time that’s happened. Back when Piltdown Man was a big deal it was hailed by English scientists as a key find. Because it revealed humans evolved in England. Elsewhere in Europe people were a lot more skeptical.

  34. FREE HUMAN says:

    My initial theory was the map shows. My theory was Humans started migrating from africa into north asia and moved east and west. One shocking thing is korean language has atleast 1000 tamil words. No land or cultural connection. I am thinking tamil is formed in north asia and people moved everywhere from there and formed new language. But strange to see cameroon kids speak tamil statement. May be proto tamil was there in africa. Because village name oor (village in tamil) you suffix to any name to make it a village or city. Even names in mangolia has that. Only thing korea that do not changed is their language. Rest is chinese.

    Kumari kandam is an interesting idea. But some people in south india has australian aborigine DNA. So they are either from kumari kandam or africa.

  35. Anonymous says:

    Hello Adam,

    I got to read all your arguments. U have completely no idea of what is Tamil language , how it is formed and how it is established. There is a lot of proofs to show that Tamil language is the mother of Indian languages and it is the root of all the world languages.. To your point, that you were kept insisting on to show a piece of evidence that Kumari land exists in indian ocean. I am telling you if you need a proof, better go in to the indian ocean under water and get it found urself. We tamil ppls believe it. Just dont fool the people around here by saying ur useless points.

    Am sayin again.

    If u need a proof, go deep into the indian ocean and find it by urself.

    1. Adam Benton says:

      Saying I have to go look for the proof at the bottom of the ocean is the equivalent of saying that none exists. Or else I wouldn’t need to go searching. So if there’s no evidence for the claim, why should I bother trying to investigate it myself?

  36. Prehistoric Fiction Writer says:

    Adam you’re the only blogger I know who can a perfectly oblivious chat with an AI spam program.

    1. Adam Benton says:

      How else will they learn?

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